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submissive doberman towards large dogs?

i have a 6 month old doberman who is a perfect dog, yet not a perfect doberman. he is boisterous friendly very well socialised but ever since he was a puppy when he meets a new (larger dog) or pack of larger dogs he shows ery submissive behaviour until they are ok with him wich is generaly fine. but as soon as he is threatened he submits and cowers. as we all know dogs dont respect weak dogs so they can get a bit rough or gang up on mine then mine yelps alot and is very scared resulting in either a small attack or dogs ganging up on him and barking like crazy. hes never been bitten but he doesnt realise hes submissive behaviour towards dogs is what is causing him to get in fights. also what age do dobermans become protective and truly loyal/ devoted to there owners my dog seems to follow me all over the place and listens to me and respects me yet i have not seen a single trace of doberman protectiveness, cheers

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1. You shouldn't put your Dobie in a position where he is running with tons of dogs off leash. He is just learning these behaviors you don't like
2. Submissiveness doesnt lead to fights. In fact, it usually deters a fight because the other dog(s) knows that he doesnt have to show your dog who the alpha is because he already has given up the lead role. They may show signs of aggression just to make sure but it usually negates an actual fist-a-cuff.
3. DOG PARKS are set up to ruin your dog's training. Your pup is right on giving submission to older dogs. Get him out of that dog park and look for a small play group with friends or training class before an accident happens.
4. Submission is good. you be worried if he were dominant
5. First of all what you're subjecting him to is unnatural. Dogs don't make friends. Dogs don't interact with strange dogs. Dog packs attack and sometimes kill non-pack members. All your dog needs is his pack (you and the people who live with you). You should NEVER EVER let an older dog dominate your dog EVER. It ruins his drive. Secondly the Doberman's day of being a hard nerved, hard charging, super protection dog is over. In Europe they used to have to earn a working title before they could be bred (Just like German Shepherds and Rottweilers still have to do). When they did that it ruined the working ability and the "toughness" of the breed in about 10 years. They're famous for being shy, submissive, and sometimes fear biters now. Btw: If you're talking like you want to turn a protection dog out of him he's not cut for it. If you look extremely hard, and pay a couple thousand dollars you may be able to find a couple kennels still dedicated to working Doberman. Good luck on that. Secondly a protection dog has to be dominant. He has to be confident. To fight a man he has to have a "If I fight harder I can beat any man" ego about him.
6. Your dog is still only a baby. he is still learning how to feel confident himself and bringing him face to face with bigger dogs is probably not helping the situtation. my pup is 5 months old and my little foxy who is much smaller still scares my pup so that she rolls on to her back as if to say 'i give up'. shes bigger and stronger yet gets scared easily. give him time to adjust to other dogs without it being many other dogs. of course he'd be scared by a pack of dogs barking at him that are all probably older than him. keep him socialising with other dogs and humans, he will soon learn but dont make him learn faster than what he is ready. as for protectiveness of you, this is the same sort of scenario. he will become more confident as he gets older and bigger and will then show more signs of protective behaviour towards you. my dogs the same. a person comes to the door, she barks then runs and hides or goes and plays with a toy! if he is 6 months old, he is only 4 1/2 in human years. he still has a lot of growing up to do!!
7. SOUNDS LIKE YOUR DOG WAS BEAT UP BEFORE YOU GOT THIS IS WHY HE COWARDS FIRST INSTEAD OF SHOWING hes boss and he will be protective at home hes still a pup give him till a yr and try not to let around many large dogs when SAY BEAT UP COULD OF BEEN BY THE PUPPIES OR OWNER and he has not forgotten the experience yet. But he trusts you!!!!
8. Your dog is a pup, he should submit!! He will come into maturity around two years of age, until then he is learning from the other dogs about canine social hierarchy, and at the moment he is at the bottom of the packing order where he belongs!! You wouldn't expect a young child to protect you, would you? It is YOUR job to protect him!!! You need to step up and be a leader. You have a powerful breed on your hands, and you need to understand ALOT more about being a good leader! You could start with an obedience class and some reading! The Dog Whisperer is a good book to start with! If he is fearful around other dogs he may become aggressive. Fear aggression is highly UNDESIRABLE! You want a confident dog, who isn't afraid of anything! This type of dog will generally be aloof around new dogs. This is only achieved through your education on canine leadership. But he is a puppy now, and should a least be able to manage Sit, Stay, Lie, and Come. If, not your are way behind. My pup knew these by 10 weeks! Now at two and a half years she knows 22 requests and continues to learn. Training your large breed is a responsibility you need to take seriously. When mature, a dog will natually protect his owner if there is a real threat. You do not need to train him to be aggressive for this to occur. I have included a link to an explanation about the various types of dog aggression, it is not specific to your gaurdian breed but will help you understand aggression in dogs and why most types are undesirable.
9. There is what you so called "Alpha Dog" or leader of the pack. You dobie has a shy type of attitude on which checking first everything before deciding what to do. You need to develop your dobermans confidence. I think you need to train your dog a lot and spend more time on him. Try hiking and go to some difficult track like uphill or stairs or some obstacles. Confidence needs to start on himself. Then just let him watch the dogs on the dog park so he can get used to it but don't let him socialized yet. Teach him to be playful so he will not be insecured when he is facing with other dogs. Remember you are bigger than him and once he get used to it then he will be all good. Remember it will take a long journey to this but you need to have patience.
10. my 8 month old is still scared of dogs larger than him, but that number is dropping because he is getting bigger. try arranging some playdates with a larger dog, let him learn to stand on equal ground with one at a time- the protectiveness is there, its in their nature but you need the right situation to see it. the velcro behaviour is very normal for a dobe.